# This post is dedicated to those people who believe that I cannot write on anything except girls. Although this post is a bit boring, but you must read it if you are concerned with it in any way.
It is said that great men have great visions or may be vice-versa. When Jawahar Lal Nehru established IITs in 1950s-60s, he had a vision, a vision of a scientifically and technically strengthened nation. The dream cherished and we got a highly prestigious and respected system of 7 technical institutions classified as the best in the world.
Then another man got a vision. This time the vision was not of a national interest but more of a political. He decided to repeat the history by establishing 8 new IITs. The man was Arjun Singh. The most interesting thing being he completed this convulating job in a few months. He established 6 new IITs in scratch without laying even a single brick. Some people call it miracle and I call it What the F!
So the most debatable question of all the times: “Is it justified?”
I will not try to answer that. Instead I would like to present my personal views on IIT Punjab which is mentored by my great college ~ Indian Institute of Technology Delhi. For the facts (as written in IIT Punjab official page):
“IIT Punjab will be located at Roopnagar (formerly Ropar), along the bank of the Sutlej river, about 50 kms from Chandigarh. However, since the setting up of the new IIT in its final location will take some time, IIT Delhi has been requested to incubate the IIT Punjab”
Therefore, the 120 so-called ‘NewIITians’ are residing in IIT Delhi campus. Girls are provided accommodation in Himadri Hostel while boys live in IP Apartments.
Mainly, IIT Punjab is benefitted by having their ‘gestation period’ in IIT Delhi. But there are some cons of it also. First lets see how its benefited:
# SENIORS
I feel this is the most important factor. What makes a college culture? Is it infrastructure? Is it faculty? Is it the facility provided?
No.
Its the seniors. They make the culture of the college. They tell you what’s a college life, how things work here and how they don’t. Of course it comes with the cost of a little ragging but that’s also justified if its within the limits.
Let me give you an example of IIT Patna which is not currently functional in any other existing IIT. They are not having seniors. My friend who’s studying there told me that it still feels like a school there.
IIT Delhi provides them a ’senior support’ for their transformation from a school-chick to a college-dude. Also, this will help them in becoming a good senior when they’ll return to their own place.
# SYSTEM
IITs are not colleges, they are IITs. Its the system of IITs which distinguish them. Of course these students, while living in IIT Delhi will learn the system of an IIT. They will realise the standard of this world class institution and also to how far they’ll have to work to make their new college, one.
# the IITD factor
What else, they are getting to stay for one year in IIT Delhi man, the dream place for lakhs of people. And this was the sole reason why people picked IIT Punjab over other new IITs in the JEE counseling. Some of them also hoped that construction of buildings at Punjab were delayed in case, (whose probability is still high considering the efficiency of Indian Govt.) then there’s a good chance that they’ll complete their B.Tech here only in Delhi.
These were the advantages. Now time for some cons:
# PRIDE
Its something else in studying at your own college whatever or however it may be. But these students realised this later.
# DETACHMENT
The students of IIT Punjab are kind of ignored or aloofed from the mainstream. They are not allowed in Inter-Hostel events which is a major blow for their college life. Moreover, their classes are held separately in MS completely apart from the IITD students. Most of the IITD students haven’t interacted with even a single IITP student. It gets them detached from the rest.
# DISCRIMINATION
May this not be the case, or they think like this way, but IITP students feel they are discriminated both by IIT Authorites and IITD students. As the matter of fact, IITD students have been provided mostly with air-conditioned classrooms and other excellent facilities, but IITP students don’t. As mentioned above, they are also being detached from the mainstream.
Moreover, there are cases of student-discrimination, especially in girls. Girls of IITP stay with IITD girls in Himadri. The condition is just like preparatory course students living with first-year students. I guess, this explains everything.
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What do they feel about all this
I’ve asked a few IITPians this question and with no exception, all of them said they want to go to their own college. Its good its IIT Delhi, but its not theirs and that’s what really bothers them. Plus the above points of discrimination and detachment aggravate them.
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What Do I Feel about IIT Punjab
Since we are having guests in our college, so this is surely a nice question to ask. Before answering this question, I’ve discussed the issue with some of my friends and seniors. But still whatever I write here should not be taken as a general opinion.
Mainly I don’t care if they are here. Since I never meet them, never interact with them, for me they don’t exist. Establishment of new IITs is a depressing decision for me. Don’t be mistaken, we are still talking about the famous Indian Institutes of Technology, which have made a mark for themselves all over the world as the strongest Indian brand. Fortune 500s, the Navratnas, the PSUs, the Scientists – you name it, they are there. And the government believes it can recreate the brand overnight, even without a single brick being laid? Without any external support? WITHOUT FACULTY?
I can safely say that the system teaches you much more outside the classroom than inside. So, all those dumbfucks in Delhi need to realise that just announcing the formation of IITs within their ignorant midst does not make the IITs, you’ve got to arrange infrastructure, faculty and facilities for them before you start.
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FINAL COMMENT
Mainly, I feel sympathy for these ‘newIITians’. Also in particular, I really want IITD authorities to take measures to bring IITP students into play. Although, their future is still in dilemma but don’t forget they are the IITians. The cream of the country. And that’s enough. The reputation of a college does not depend on its building, but the students studying there.
And for those who believe that the reputation of exisitng IITs have diluted because of them, I am sorry you are wrong. It is true that the top 2% in JEE is the cream. But its just a part of the cream. The cream can be denser.
If every student in the US, graduates out from a good university- not associating himself with this mad JEE kind of competition, and still be called a good graduate, why not most students from India?
Although its sad to see that politics have infilitrated into education too, but one thing that’s also true is that ‘every cloud has a silver lining’.
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PS — Rendezvous is coming. Lets see if I can see ’something’ in it. 
PS — Please stop asking about marks I got in minor I.
PS — Yesterday saw ‘Lifestyle’ rehearsals in WindT. Goddamn man…..
PS — I just can’t understand, how God designed such beautiful women.
PS — Sorry for the boring post. But can’t help. 
PS — Adios.
Kunal Jain Said:
on September 15, 2008 at 6:31 am
this is the first of ur many popular blogs that i hv read.
n i’m deeply impressed by ur thoughts n comments.
more so bcoz i didnt xpected that u can write something of matter.
Good to know that my neighbour is a talent to look fwd to.
Keep it up n lookin fwd 4 ur next blogs , u genious
ach_85 Said:
on September 15, 2008 at 6:44 am
Good analysis although… shows how stupid this whole idea is. The only thing it will do is dilue the brand. Good attempt. Had yuo tried to make it funny, the essence wud have been lost
Intutius Said:
on September 15, 2008 at 7:00 am
@Kunal Jain
Thanks man…it feels good to be appreciated by a genius neighbour. The best thing being, u started with my most boring blog, so there are chances for my brand-improvement. lol
@Achintya
Yeah, that was the sole reason to make this blog serious. It would have reduced its value.
Regarding the brand I feel that, in future IIT won’t be a brand but it wud become a particularised like IITD, IITB, IITK etc. That means each IIT would have its own brand value. So in that case it doesn’t matters how many new IITs are introduced.
perx Said:
on September 15, 2008 at 8:24 am
@arch_85
how exactly will it dilute brand value? the new IITs have been established to keep the no. of seats for the general category same, so that general category students don’t suffer due to the new reservation system… now if u are telling me that the top 2% (i think) of all the people who take these exams every year are not worth IITs, then I’d have to say where’d u live? wonderland?
Nefarious Outlook Said:
on September 16, 2008 at 2:48 am
dude..totally agree with you man…all the factors that you mention are definitely true down to every word
Asmita Said:
on September 16, 2008 at 4:14 am
This a very debatable post.. my dad and I have debated on this plenty times.. IIT hyd is also coming soon.. or is under planning or something.. personally.. I dont like the Idea.. IITs are IITs for reason.. there arent 18 Ivy leagues ( in american Graduate’s defense).. there arent 16 Harvards, 42 MITs.. there’s One.. try and bring the Standards Higher.. like BITS did.. not create more IITs.. create a brand 2.. make a difference.. dont keep expanding wat is already sufficient! ( it will only break the rubber band!)
i dont know.. many will disagree with me.. but i still think having 2% of a population our size with more than half of being Our generation.. thats not a small number.. that IS diluting!! ( No offense to the Brainacks out there.. u must be extremely smart.. and talented.. but Only few are IIT material.. Maintain that standard.. not every Brainack gets into Harvard.. there are Standards.. some more political than others.. but majority is actual cream!)
Asmita Said:
on September 16, 2008 at 4:16 am
and there is a difference between GOOD graduate.. and Excellence! Harvard is Excellence… MIT is Excellence.. on the other hand.. Clemson is Good, UCLA is good!
u want IIT to be good and not excellence! thats your call! it ultimately affects the IIT grads.. and the standard WILL drop!! and i will tell u.. u can quote me on that!
Intutius Said:
on September 16, 2008 at 6:52 am
@Perx
Agreed man, completely.
@Nefarious Outlook
Hey, are u in IITD??
@Asmita
All the things you wrote are absolutely right, but there’s a fact that even Harvard accepts 10% of all the applications made, but IITs accept only 2%. The IITians which go for higher studies in MIT, princeton, stanford or harvard, they say that the level of students studying there is not upto those studying in IIT.
Now another fact, 3.5 lakh people give IIT exam each year…and total seats including new IITs are around 6500. That means those who are coming to even new IITs are academically and logically the sharpest of the country (and the world too). If the government agrees to provide new IITs, the same facilities, faculties and external support as it is giving to the existing IITs, then surely in a few years, the new IITs will pick up the tune and get transformed into world class institutions.
Perx Said:
on September 16, 2008 at 8:41 am
@himanshu
seriously man… i can’t believe that people actually think that only 6500 students in 12th class for a particular year are good enough to be in IIT. they don’t understand that increasing the seats will produce more quality crop.. at least i think so… i mean come on, if 3.5 lakh people give jee each year, there must be 10 lakh students passing 12th standard with n.m. each year, many of them brilliant, but who don’t give jee cuz they think they don’t have a chance…..
i think schools need to each “keeping an open mind” too…
Asmita Said:
on September 16, 2008 at 1:58 pm
My Sir.. its not about what number of students are good for something.. its about keeping that number stable.. yes.. the population is increasing.. and so the number should increase.. but isnt it scary.. that out of 10 lakh people who graduate 12th.. about 1/3 want to get into IIT
and dont know how many of these 10 lakh want to be engineers( good for us Medical student i guess 
).. the number of student intake has been increase by a 1770 students since 2003.. ah! heck..
(Another Fact: 25% of IITians come from AP.. majority of that 25% is from Hyd!.. if this Fire of IIT training camps catches the country.. there will be more IITs.. the count is 15 now…. and eventually it will be like RECs.. which are now NIT)
and talking about 10% of applicants to harvard… that 10% aren’t applying for Engineering, That 10% has Arts, Medicine, Law, (the actual number of student intake… well.. its only 2029.. and this is for all the majors.. Not just Engg!)
and lets not even get started about how different a Masters Program is from a 4 yr Undergrad program…
Create Another brand.. Dont expand one that is already sufficiently good!
but hey.. u guys are the Future IITians
doesnt affect u! heck!
vishakha Said:
on September 18, 2008 at 1:12 pm
hey who has given u such a speck that u can’t write anything expect girl.ofcourse u can write yaar no doubt n u have proved it.good attempt mr genius
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well it feels bad about the discrimination with the IITP.n i agree with u that its the student who make the college’s system without whose the other facilities r hopeless.Its the students who make any institute the BRAND of the nation n IITians r also one of them .not any particular IITD ,IITP,IITM etc .the brand name is only 1 i.e.IIT
Ach_85 Said:
on September 19, 2008 at 3:56 am
@ perx…
sorry for the late reply. Never in my comment I said that those 6500 students are not worth coming to IITs. I wont get into who I think are worth coming to IITs and whom are not, because it will then pull the debate whether reservations are correct or not, which is an unending one, and no one I think in this country can reach a consensus on this.
I just said that this will dilute the brand. Now what u say looks like you are getting confused between brand dilution and quality of students getting into IITs. So, It may appear simple to say that the brand IIT will be taken over by brand IITD and brand IITK. But that is not easy. Today IIT is the only Indian brand that has immense value globally (yes much more than IIMs and Tatas and relience, and forget abt infosys etc.) This is an image that there are 5 institute of excellence which are different than rest of the institutes in technical education, and that is what is building the brand. Now suddenly there are 15.
Think if you are in the market to buy the best shirt and you dont cares howmuch you have to pay, then wud u be satisfied with a brand which says I am like 15 other brands. No, you wud like the one which says I am the only one.
What will happen to the the shirt brand if the company launches another shirt category with a much lower quality and cheaper prize but the same brand name. As you must have realized, its brand value will fall.
Now to build a brand IITD as intutius said, wud mean showing that we are different (and hence superior) than others and secondly to communicate to the entire world that we have changed to build a separate brand IITD. Think how much money it will take. Can we afford it now when we have 15 IITs to take care.
Asmita Said:
on September 19, 2008 at 7:28 am
Hail U Mr Ach!!
I conquer! word to word!
Intutius Said:
on September 19, 2008 at 10:09 am
@Asmita, Ach_85 and Asmita (again)
I surrendered…!!! hahaha…..
You know it has become a trend these days to debate on my topics….I love it..!!!
Now honest comment, I wrote this article because one of my senior insisted me and this is supposed to be published in college-magazine. Therefore, I wrote it in a way that it can provide a bit sympathy to those studying in IIT punjab..!!
Brand dilution is a serious problem. I do agree but I can’t help. Therefore, I am trying to become a little optimistic by putting such points. No guilties.
@Vishakha
Arrey u don’t know here in my college…all my mates and seniors they have stereotyped me that I write only about girls. haha…
Perx Said:
on September 19, 2008 at 1:20 pm
@ach_85
thanx for explaining, i get ur point now…. so maybe they should increase the production of shirts within the same brand, because there is definitely a shortage……
Ankit Said:
on September 22, 2008 at 11:22 am
Hmmm, from the Firstluv.WordPress.Com blog, to here, a substantial journey, indeed, Himanshu. I like your writings here.
Do you realize that you have touched upon an extremely sensitive topic here. I think you do.
Reading through your post, at times, I was unsatisfied, with your analysis, but in the end, what you said was pretty much what I wanted to say.
OK, lets get into details -
“IITs are not colleges, they are IITs”.
No, kid, they are colleges. Trust me. Overhyped, but still colleges. Don’t worry with this one, though, you will never accept that.
I like the way you felt for the IIT-P junta. Commendable. Be like that.
6501th candidate, who couldn’t make it to the IITs is not that much worse than the 6500th candidate, who just about made it. Never, try to focus “cream” to a particular race, community or worse, college.
The point of brand, sounds like a valid one. But I have always believed that we need more and more IITs. Why 7, why not 20! A nation of 105 crore and just 7-world-class institutes. Think about it. Yes, IIT is a brand. But lets make sure the foundation of the brand is still based on quality, rather than the name itself. In a recent meeting with an ex-IITian in IIT-Bombay, who now is a famous VC (won’t name him), he bluntly put it, that he avoids taking IITians now, coz most of them are filled with pride rather than knowledge . Its the notion of being an IITian that rules in their minds now. And this, he said, was a proper turn off for him. Trust me, we need more IITs. But yes, as you said, much more thoughts need to be pumped into any institute that can be called an IIT. And a building of its own, is just the very basic necessity.
@Ach_85
Which world are you from, man? What did you say?
Today IIT is the only Indian brand that has immense value globally (yes much more than IIMs and Tatas and relience, and forget abt infosys etc.
Really? I didn’t know that!
Frankly speaking, dude, you need to get out of your cocoon. So you are an IITian? Well, nobody gives a damn. As I said, at the end of the day, they are another engineering colleges.
You have any idea what image Tata and Reliance have? Tata just bought over two of the world’s most sought after automobile brands, and Reliance just bought over Steven Spielberg himself. You have any idea what that means? If you still insist that IITs are bigger-and-better than these business houses, then all I can say is, welcome to the real world. You guys have been lucky enough to receive the kind of education which millions have been deprived of. Make good use of this. Show us some killer technology, right from India.
Why not a microprocessor, an operating system, or even a browser, completely developed in the IITs, whatsay ? Then, my friend, you can claim something of that order. Till, then, learn to be humble.
@Himanshu
You need to write more like this. All the best, man.
Intutius Said:
on September 22, 2008 at 12:24 pm
@Ankit
Thanks Ankit for so informative comment. Still I would like to present my views on a few things.
Moving one by one,
1.
‘IITs are not colleges, they are IITs’.
I raised this statement not for over hyping anything. May be I am exaggerating things, but one thing that is true that after IITs, there is a steep fall in the educational standards of other engg. colleges. I mean to say that there is a huge difference in the standards of a 7th ranked IIT and the 8th ranked engg. college of India. That means All India Rank 6500 and AIR 6501 students aren’t receiving almost same standard of education.
I myself have studied in NIT Bhopal for one year which is ranked amongst top 25 engg. colleges of India. I have friends in IIIT-H, NIT Trichy, and other possible colleges for an 8th rank. And therefore I know that how IITs have distinguished themselves in terms of academics.
2.
‘Tata & Reliance Vs. IIT’.
Whatever you said is absolutely true. Spielberg and Nano are remarkable things which have projected India throughout the world. Of course they are of greater value than IITs. But these companies are led by ‘one man army’. IITs aren’t.
IIT Brand is formed by thousands of IITians who have graduated for the last 50 years. They may not be as much successful as Tatas and Ambanis but most of them are working in eminent positions across the world. And this very thing has made them the most respectable brand of India.
3.
‘Show some killer technologies from IIT’
The idea is great, but unfortunately IITs are known around the world only for their undergraduate studies. And at UG level that is not possible. We learn only what’s already exists. To innovate, research and invent new things, one needs to go for higher education, extremely good facilities, infrastructure, eminent guidance which are not available in IITs.
So therefore, IITs literally cannot contribute much to the technological development of the country.
That was my point of view. Although there are few things which I am bound to accept.
1.7 colleges for a population of 105 crores are not enough.
2. The decline in level of education for 6500 ranker and 6501th one.
3. IITs are always over hyped.
blah…blah…
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Saw your blog, you people rock man…! Feels good to hear words of appreciation from someone like you.
Ankit Said:
on September 22, 2008 at 7:56 pm
@Himanshu
See what I wrote above
Don’t worry with this one, though, you will never accept that
As someone from IIT , you want to believe that IITs are much more than just engineering colleges. Unfortunately, the rest of the world differs. I remember 7 years back, passing from school. All friends getting into various colleges. Some even into IITs. It was a big deal then. It stayed that way for 4 years. So, let me put it this way, for the next 4 years, you will keep imagining that IITs are much more than engineering colleges. Not that you have to. But by the tone of your writing, its pretty much clear to what “clan” you belong.
(1.) When I talked about the 6500th and 6501th ranked candidate, I was not referring to the quality of their institute, but the quality of the student itself. My question is – is it fair to let someone with 6501 deny the right to study in an IIT, even when someone with rank 6500 has been admitted to one? Think about it. There is not much difference in the calibre of these two students. The last line of your paragraph aptly puts it across – I know how IITs have distinguished themselves in terms of academics.
In terms of academics, agreed. IITs have definitely distinguished themselves, in terms of academics. And hence, they are colleges. Definitely good colleges. But still, colleges.
(2.) Tata & Reliance Vs. IIT
As you move forward in life, you will soon realize that “One-man-show” is a hypothesis. And thats it. The Tatas, the Ambanis are powerhouses of excellence. Trust me, you got to see the way these guys work. Think about it. They have been around since years. Its just that you know the names of the top-officials. Compare this to IITs. How mant ex-IITians do you know? 10? 20? I bet, you can name more non-IITian superstar corporates.
They may not be as much successful as Tatas and Ambanis but most of them are working in eminent positions across the world
Well, dude, “most of them working in eminent position across the world” is true for the other colleges as well. Just have a look at how these big Indian IT companies send kids abroad on projects. Be it from any college. Trust me, man, I have friends from all sorts of colleges, who have touched the shores of United States in their second year of college.
(3.) Well, if you cannot show us some killer technology emerging out of IIT, then, my firend, you are aceapting that apart from academics, IITs are nothing. And please don’t give the excuse of Undergrads and Postgrads. I’ll show you people who are not even grads, coming up with disruptive technologies and creating successful business around them. More than you, I want something great to emerge out of IIT. Trust me, it doesnt makes a damn of a difference if you are an undergrad. IITs anyways have postgrad course. So, the infrastructure is already there. So, if you really want to do it, just do it. Else, stop talking.
“To innovate, research and invent new things, one needs to go for higher education, extremely good facilities, infrastructure, eminent guidance which are not available in IITs”
Read the above statement again. Don’t you think it describes an engineering institute? Thats what an institute must have – good facilities, infrastructure, education, eminent guidance. And you are saying that IITs do not have them ! Man, in effect you are saying that IITs are not even good colleges, let alone “much much more”
Ultimately, I’m happy that you made it where you wanted to be. It must feel great to be an IITian. But trust me, after 4 years, it won’t make a difference. Yes, you can make a difference. For that you need to do something thats more than academics. You have all the facilities around you (despite of you claiming the contrary). Make use of them.
Understand this, its good that I tell you all this stuff, rather than some foreigner kid, when you visit them on one of your internship programs.
I want India to move forward. For this, a major overhaul of the education system is needed. I beleive IITs have the power to bring about a change. Sadly, they are not doing it.
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Loved the discussion here. And I’m glad you liked our blog. Would love to see your comments there. I keep on writing about many interseting technologies there.
Maneesh Said:
on September 23, 2008 at 6:06 am
Ok I have to admit this is the first time I have read your blog after hearing about it a lot from guys like Ankit and was reading both your comments…
I agree with both you and Ankit on your individual views.. I mean I know where you guys are coming from…
However, one point I can’t quite agree with –
‘Show some killer technologies from IIT’
The idea is great, but unfortunately IITs are known around the world only for their undergraduate studies. And at UG level that is not possible. We learn only what’s already exists. To innovate, research and invent new things, one needs to go for higher education, extremely good facilities, infrastructure, eminent guidance which are not available in IITs.
I have to say this – balls!
Innovation was never a reflection of tools, in fact it has often been the lack of it. You are sort of ridiculing your and your peers capabilities for which we uin-iitians have a lot of respect..
And if IIT can’t provide you with the resources to do any good, why bother going there,.. I might as well go to the last place of education in India get a namesake degree and then head west..
Nehru’s vision was fulfileld when the IITians took leading the world over in the 80 and 90s..nowadays it seems to be a place for only intellectual masturbation..only the wanks, no payoff
Ok that was only for that point..
Intutius Said:
on September 23, 2008 at 9:46 am
@Ankit
I call it ‘enlightenment’. I guess it will open eyes of many IITians (like me),
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And yes, you’ve got one more regular visitor for your blog.
@ Maneesh
‘Intellectual Masturbation’ ~ nice word man..!
I agree to you ‘word’ by ‘word’. May be you are right, here in IIT we don’t learn to innovate or don’t try to. Everyone is interested in high paying jobs, foreign interns or a good PG in some US university. Dats it!
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Saw your blog on entrepreneurship. Loved it man.
Maneesh Said:
on September 23, 2008 at 5:08 pm
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Ankit Said:
on September 23, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Btw, in the Tata example, I was not talking of Nano . I was referring to jaguar and Land Rover.
shashank sharma Said:
on September 25, 2008 at 11:29 am
thank u for your views on iit punjab. we know that we have taken some amount of risk. but as u yourself is an iitian u known that to be iitian is everyone’s dream and we are no exception to it.and when we have cleared jee why to miss this chance.
although we are inferior to iitd students in terms of jee ranks but not in term of potential.we have students who have secured top 100 ranks in aieee and done well in other exams . some really good sportsman and good cultural artists. but to be iitian we compromised on other fronts and we don’t regret our decisions.
we known that iit delhi students are provided with more facilities but more important are teachers which are same for iit delhi and us.
if any new iit is there some students have to take it up and we have taken this decision.when iit delhi was set up iit kharagpur and bombay was already there but students took iit delhi was their decision wrong ? no
we as a first batch have to be a fighter batch and we are ready for it.everbody has come here with a lot of thinking behind his decision and a vision to be fulfilled. we are not involved in any sort of competition with iitd but to learn the trends and to implement it in a better way in our iit punjab. we belive that government will take appropriate steps to maintain the iit brand and we too will pursue a wonderful career just as most iitians.
we are here to make a new beginning and we are ready for it . after some time when iit punjab will be one of the premier institute in india we will be proud to say that we were the founder batch and we took a good decision
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zehreeley @ IIT PUNJAB Said:
on November 16, 2008 at 2:47 pm
yar ye galat baat hai..dushro ka blog tep kar apna aap ko no. 7 blogger of india bolta hai..saram aani chahiye..
waise sahi chori kara hai..ha ha..
Intutius Said:
on November 17, 2008 at 6:23 am
@All of the above.
Thnx.
yadav Said:
on January 4, 2009 at 12:40 pm
hi
The blog says it all about the system and the working about the new iits
but as a new iit student i would also like to leave comment on the current scene the new iit students are feeling like if they are cheated by the authorities or u can say by the gov. they are not independent as they are being mentored at the same time they are not same as they are different from the system.now the fear grips what is going to happen when campuses are to be shifted.as u commented about patna it would be like a school.
so how will they comptete with the old iit students in getting the high profile jobs in the view of prevailing global recession.
i would like to be replied………
Intutius Said:
on January 6, 2009 at 11:14 am
@yadav
That’s what the whole issue is… how to convert the best students of India into world class engineers. I personally feel that a large building, a fancy hostel doesn’t make a college. The things that are prominent include level of students, level of professors & academic and cultural facilities.
If government or mentor IITs somehow manage to provide current students with these basic necessities, then I don’t think there is a larger issue.
Yes, obviously there will be some difference between the standards of old IITs and new IITs… but that doesn’t mean that newIITians don’t have a good future.
What say?
monika Said:
on April 14, 2009 at 7:17 pm
hi himanshu ..
i knw must hve 4rgtn me …(also dres nothin in remembrin me)
but stil i m make an effrt …
remembr sumone asking u,last year,
wether or not to drop an year 4 iit or not..
which institution to join etc.. on ur blog “firstluv”
(i jus hope it comes out of ur subconcious memory…)
i took a drop …and went to allen career institute kota(where top faculties 4rm bansal classes taught us) 4 8months and had a wonderful xperience of preparin 4 iitjee 2009….
i wuld like to bring to ur notice that in highskul i never thout of crackin jee(or ne other engg xam)…..
till i sat 4 iitjee2008 u can say it lack of information or lack of ambition …
but …
i have jus loved science and wil continue lovin it…
hopefully i wil be thru with a score of 200 this time ..but i knw the score is marginal n isnt enuf 4 me to get the course i like(so i donot belong to the race called “iitians”,¬¬u made me feel so)
sumwre i feel ,me gettin 200 with 8 months preprtn
can be rated more than a comparitively bettr score say 300
with 3 yr preparation(surely they werent abl to crack jee with dre 2 yr preparatn) ….
i jus want to say …
that being an iitian doesn mean u r much better than all other engg. students in india…
aftr readin this writup of urs nd comments of most of the iitians
i realli started dislikin iitians….(STILL love IITs)
it feels to me that iitians arnt passionate abt engg. nd innovation ..
they are passionate abt “brand”,
¬¬ “high paying jobs, FOREIGN interns or a good PG in some US university.”
country has done so much 4 u people …
and u people dont seem to be caring abt it
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on jus one point i agree with u himanshu ….that is
settin up of new iits….
i dont say that our country need more iits …
but that govt cannot cheat students by openin up ne college nd callin
it iit, jus because u hav the power to do so and that it wil fetch more votes..
@ankit
sir..
ur each word inspired me…
people like u make me feel “not all iitians are stupidly arrogant”
abt comparing the standard of 6500th and 6501th student…
this will always be problem …if iits start accomodating say 10000
students ..one can always say that there is not much difference in the calibre of 10,000th and 10,001th student…and dats why it is called competitive exam ..where luck also plays a major role …
setting up of 20 iits is not a solution to such a problem …as it will only cause dilution …(as mentioned above) …standard of iit should not be let down …. and so of iitian gettin selected ….solution can be a pass mark system..
wat say??
@himanshu
i love to read ur blog …(like everyone else,missed it durin my stay at kota)
Intutius Said:
on April 16, 2009 at 9:17 pm
@monika
All I wanna say is I am quite happy seeing your comment. And of course I remember you.
)
Don’t worry, IITs aren’t the end of the world. It’s just a better beginning.
And if you ask me personally, IITs suck! Live here for one month and you’ll realize this.
No personal offenses meant by the post and its comments.
Good Luck dear.
Shekhar Said:
on May 10, 2009 at 5:40 am
@Himanshu
You took a nice topic and did justice to it. The same is the case with IIT Rajasthan Students here at IITK. The comments in this blog took it to a different path which too is an interesting one. Personally, I had felt the same way about IITs before I got into one and the stay there has taught me that they are not “just” colleges but more. What I want to say is that the faculty and the level of students is just at par as compared to other institutions in India. What lacks there is a personal touch of innovation. But it is not that it is completely absent.
There are many research papers which are published each year in IITs (atleast at IITK there are). And as much as killer technology is concerned, a Nanosat has been designed recently by a team of undergrads who have first yearites also in their team. What more, recently a senior from 3rd year from my branch(Bioengg.) had discovered a new gene present in eyes which hadnt been found yet. And this is talking about just my branch. A second year senior from Electrical has already published two research papers. And there are many more who I dont know. And still more, there are other IITs too. Just because you dont know, doesnt means IITs are not contributing.
Shekhar Said:
on May 10, 2009 at 5:59 am
@Himanshu
You took a nice topic and did justice to it. The same is the case with IIT Rajasthan Students here at IITK. The comments in this blog took it to a different path which too is an interesting one. Personally, I had felt the same way about IITs before I got into one and the stay there has taught me that they are not “just” colleges but more. What I want to say is that the faculty and the level of students is just at par as compared to other institutions in India. What lacks there is a personal touch of innovation. But it is not that it is completely absent.
There are many research papers which are published each year in IITs (atleast at IITK there are). And as much as killer technology is concerned, a Nanosat has been designed recently by a team of undergrads who have first yearites also in their team. What more, recently a senior from 3rd year from my branch(Bioengg.) had discovered a new gene present in eyes which hadnt been found yet. And this is talking about just my branch. A second year senior from Electrical has already published two research papers. And there are many more who I dont know. And still more, there are other IITs too. Which institute in India has this kind of research going on there? I respect what Ankit said and he is right on most of the topics. We may be overhyped(though personally I dont think so [:)]) but just because one doesnt know, doesnt mean IITs are not contributing.
@Ankit
Loved your blog. The topics are interesting. Hats of to you guyz for that.
No personal offense meant by this comment. Loved the discussion.[:)] Keep posting.
Rakesh Kumar Said:
on May 27, 2009 at 8:54 pm
The whole idea of IIT is stupid as I am yet to found any good research from IIT. Only those IITians who migrate to USA and then are honed by their peers here are worth any social work (Rekhi, pentium inventor, et all).
So!! get this straight in your heart that you guys are nothing but bookworms who cramp various material into your brains from different classes to get stamped by the Indian as IIT worthy. So!!
Indian Said:
on July 2, 2009 at 5:20 pm
First of all I am not in favour of creating more IITs in India or elsewhere. You don’t have to create other MITs in USA, Stanford and Caltech are equally good. At the same time, University of California has many campuses (Berkely, SF, LA, SD, SB, Riverside, Fresno and so on). They have added few campuses in the last few years. So there are arguments and counter arguments for/by both sides.
Without undermining the faculty and students of IITs, I feel IITs are highly over rated in India or elswhere. Since 1960s, IITians are coming out to USA or other countries but even after working in US they have failed to win any special awards (Nobel per se). In India we can argue lack of facilities but what about IITians working in MIT/Harvard or Berkeley. There should be no excuse except that they are not trained in basic research.
In 1960s, IITs were created and our population was approx 450, 000, 000 and number of students entering IITs (in 5 IITs were approx 5000) 0.0011% of total population. Now population has increased by three fold and majority of them are in the age group of 15-30. So according to most of the discussions 0.0011% of the Indian population was smart enough to get into IITs in 1960s. If we keep the number same and also consider the increasing population of youngsters, we should be able to obtain atleast 15000 brilliant students to fill seats in 15 IITs!! Since youngsters are increasing we can increase this slightly to 17000 brilliant students available for IITs.
If we still feel by opening more IITs govt of India is undermining the quality we are also declaring that new generation(we all) are not equally smart as our forefathers. We are saying that 0.0011% of our current population is not as smart as we were in 1960s. Either accept that India can afford new institutes to recruit this increasing segment of brilliant students or accept the fact that we all are not smart enough!!!
Whenever new institutes start, people show apprehension. It is the mind set of human beings. Oldest five IITians donot consider IIT Roorkee or Guwahati fellows as equal to other IITians. In future even IIT Guwahati graduate student will do the same with IIT Punjab or Rajasthan folks. There is no problem with IIT Punjab or Raj but the problem is with our own mindset.
IISc is the best institute in India for research and Govt of India has started IISERs on the model of IISc Bangalore. Look at the websites of IISERs. Almost all the faculty members are recruited from foreign countries. Students joining IISERs are still from the extended JEE list (students donot consider joining IISERs as these are new institutes and subjects are beyond the comprehension in current economic situation).
Future of students joining IITs (any), IISc (including IISER), TIFR, REC and so on is always bright.
Government of India is doing a good job but they need to create infrastructure before starting a new institute.
So people donot loose your heart if you